joey
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ozone
Apr 27, 2022 14:32:30 GMT
Post by joey on Apr 27, 2022 14:32:30 GMT
I would like to know who uses ozone, and in what capacity. Do you use it to disinfect the loop, bicarb loop, inlet lines etc?? I would also like to know if anyone used to use it or discussed using it and decided not to, and the reasoning for the decision. Also I would like to know if CMS/JCAHO/DNV had anything to say about it when they came to your unit Your answers are greatly appreciated! Thank you |
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ozone
Apr 27, 2022 16:26:29 GMT
Post by Chuck Weddle on Apr 27, 2022 16:26:29 GMT
I could be wrong but, I think they were only officially approved for bicarb loops.
I don't see how they could be used on in-direct feed systems because of the volume that would be needed for the holding tank. I can also see people forgetting to take out pyrogen filters and frying them.
There are still quite a few facilities (mine included) that are plumbed with Schedule 80 PVC which doesn't play well with ozone over time.
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cane
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ozone
May 24, 2022 15:00:33 GMT
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Post by cane on May 24, 2022 15:00:33 GMT
We have two clinics where we ozone the water loop and they're all SCH80. SCH80 withstands ozone just fine as long as you don't try generate a new ozone layer, and instead just what level you need to keep your loop clean. CMS has never had any issue with it in my 11 years here. I've found a lot of surveyors in the last few years don't ask anything about your water system disinfection as long as your labs are good, which is probably more indicative of poor surveying than anything else.
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joey
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ozone
May 24, 2022 23:26:43 GMT
Post by joey on May 24, 2022 23:26:43 GMT
We have two clinics where we ozone the water loop and they're all SCH80. SCH80 withstands ozone just fine as long as you don't try generate a new ozone layer, and instead just what level you need to keep your loop clean. CMS has never had any issue with it in my 11 years here. I've found a lot of surveyors in the last few years don't ask anything about your water system disinfection as long as your labs are good, which is probably more indicative of poor surveying than anything else. What Ozone system do you have? Also how long does it take to build up? I swear my O2 tank is on 1 L and in less than 10 minutes the whole system is greater than .5.
I know the Ameriwater system I have is approved for Pex and SCH 80.
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ozone
May 25, 2022 9:03:33 GMT
Post by Chuck Weddle on May 25, 2022 9:03:33 GMT
Hopefully this shows up big enough that you can read it. It's from RD52.  I have 2 systems that are 15 years old and one that just had its 25 birthday. I don't have any culture or endotoxin issues but I would almost guarantee that they have at least some biofilm so I would love to be able to ozone them from time to time at least. PVC does get brittle over time. I would be afraid to think what ozone may do to these older systems. A few questions..... - Are the generators portable so one can be used at multiple locations?
- I thought they made the ozone from ambient air? They need an O2 bottle?
- Approximate cost?
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joey
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ozone
May 25, 2022 13:17:03 GMT
Post by joey on May 25, 2022 13:17:03 GMT
6 years ago it was 10 grand for the system and for them to install the connections into our bicarb system and RO tank and loop. The system we bought uses an O2 tank and the directions say to turn it up much higher than you need to. We only have to have it at 1L and it is up to limit in like 7 minutes but like you said if Biofilm exists it might take longer at a higher rate.
It's 70 pounds but definitely a size that is friendly to moving from unit to unit. I think you have direct feed system(s) if I remember correctly and I'm pretty sure you need a storage tank for Ozone.
The manual that I sent you a link for breaks it down for you rather well.
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ozone
May 25, 2022 16:40:55 GMT
Post by Admin on May 25, 2022 16:40:55 GMT
Throw it all away and get a heat disinfect system! #Biased  |
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ozone
May 25, 2022 17:03:22 GMT
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Post by Chuck Weddle on May 25, 2022 17:03:22 GMT
Throw it all away and get a heat disinfect system! #Biased  Any one in Particular?  |
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ozone
May 25, 2022 17:28:43 GMT
Post by Admin on May 25, 2022 17:28:43 GMT
You know the one I'm talking about! I'm surprised you don't have one.... yet  |
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ozone
May 26, 2022 15:04:46 GMT
Post by qman213 on May 26, 2022 15:04:46 GMT
You know the one I'm talking about! I'm surprised you don't have one.... yet  I'm not going to say the brand, but we have three of them. We will soon have a forth. I would hate to go back to the conventional system. We are spoiled. |
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Post by Admin on May 26, 2022 16:23:27 GMT
Glad to hear it! As long as those secondary rings can be rebuilt it should be A-Ok!  |
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ozone
May 26, 2022 16:45:48 GMT
Post by Chuck Weddle on May 26, 2022 16:45:48 GMT
You know the one I'm talking about! I'm surprised you don't have one.... yet I'm not going to say the brand, but we have three of them. We will soon have a forth. I would hate to go back to the conventional system. We are spoiled. I'll say it for you------- AQUABOSS!The 4400's we have now will likely last long after I retire so, I will never get to drive one of those Ferrari's. |
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ozone
May 26, 2022 17:44:06 GMT
Post by Admin on May 26, 2022 17:44:06 GMT
Oh no, I meant the CWP.. Jokes. Hopefully you can check one out sometime! |
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