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Post by dave74 on Sept 23, 2022 14:10:45 GMT
Proposition 29 is another dialysis-related initiative on this November's California ballot. A "yes" vote supports this ballot initiative to require dialysis clinics to have at least one physician, nurse practitioner, or physician assistant while patients are being treated; report data on dialysis-related infections; and not discriminate against patients based on the source of payment for care. A "no" vote opposes this ballot initiative to require dialysis clinics to have at least one physician, nurse practitioner, or physician assistant while patients are being treated; report data on dialysis-related infections; and not discriminate against patients based on the source of payment for care. Similar proposition have failed. The proposition is mostly funded by the union SEIU-UHW. Major funding against the proposition is coming from DaVita and Fresenius. They are running ads featuring dialysis patients who claim their dialysis units are going to close and their lives are at risk. I am already tired of these ads. SEIU/UHW would like to unionize dialysis technicians. When I worked for a hospital-based dialysis unit, I was a member of SEIU-UHE. It was a closed shop. It was join the union or lose your job. They had a clause in their contract that if any department was sold, the employees would go with it. The hospital simply closed the dialysis units, and the employees were on their own. ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_29,_Dialysis_Clinic_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)
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Post by phillipashleyludlow on Sept 23, 2022 19:22:06 GMT
*Reads* Hopes no-one in Albany gets any bright ideas. * Thinks about it * 
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Post by gfreely on Sept 26, 2022 11:55:13 GMT
*Reads* Hopes no-one in Albany gets any bright ideas. * Thinks about it * View AttachmentYou KNOW it's (unfortunately) only a matter of time...
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Post by joey on Sept 26, 2022 12:35:23 GMT
I'm not sure about the first part but I do not see the negative to making the units report data on infections or trying to lessen the discrimination against patients based on payment.
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 26, 2022 13:44:01 GMT
I'm not sure about the first part but I do not see the negative to making the units report data on infections or trying to lessen the discrimination against patients based on payment. Like any legislation, there are "good" parts but also a lot of "bad" parts, such as requiring a MD, PA, or NP to be on-site at all times. They are also notorious for using buzz words such as "discrimination" when in fact patients probably aren't being denied service because of their type of insurance rather, they have no insurance at all. It could also be that the facility isn't contracted with a particular insurance company. This is the same union who tried a couple years ago to set unrealistic staffing ratios and put tight limits on how much profit a company can make. Don't get me wrong, I think there's a special place in hell for Fresenius and Davita but try to tell Microsoft or the oil companies that they can't make enough money to pay investors and see where that gets you.
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Post by GuestCA on Oct 12, 2022 15:36:34 GMT
Work for Big D here in California. Prop 29 is all bad and doesn't do anything except require the clinics to pay to have a glorified babysitter. Yes, I've read the prop and it's the same prop the union tried to push the last go round; they just changed the requirement of having an actual Neph MD on site to make it broader for physicians (MD, neph, nurse pract etc..). Just imagine a major city that has a dozen or less Neph MD and now you require one to be at one for the 2 dozen clinics within a 40 mile radius... Not happening, that's why they made the MD requirements broader & physician with no dialysis knowledge wouldn't be so helpful on a patients treatment. I read and go through things, not just drink the kool-aid from Big D or Unions. In CA, clinics already do what the prop is "asking/requiring" as far as reports & "discrimination" based on source of payment is just the union using buzzwords & as with half the cases it's just as chuck said regarding payment/contracts etc.. There is no discrimination for income, shoot we have close to a dozen here at my location who we dialyze that don't have a source of income to pay for the treatments.
Now of course, the big D & F can definitely do better by their employees here in CA. A small fraction of the $100 mil to go against this prop could def help out the "non-support" for unionization amongst their employees. A slice of the pie goes a long way and all majority of us want is just a small portion of the slice not even a full slice haha.
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Post by dave74 on Nov 13, 2022 17:16:28 GMT
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Post by bcjammerx on Dec 7, 2022 1:15:58 GMT
Proposition 29 is another dialysis-related initiative on this November's California ballot. A "yes" vote supports this ballot initiative to require dialysis clinics to have at least one physician, nurse practitioner, or physician assistant while patients are being treated; report data on dialysis-related infections; and not discriminate against patients based on the source of payment for care. A "no" vote opposes this ballot initiative to require dialysis clinics to have at least one physician, nurse practitioner, or physician assistant while patients are being treated; report data on dialysis-related infections; and not discriminate against patients based on the source of payment for care. Similar proposition have failed. The proposition is mostly funded by the union SEIU-UHW. Major funding against the proposition is coming from DaVita and Fresenius. They are running ads featuring dialysis patients who claim their dialysis units are going to close and their lives are at risk. I am already tired of these ads. SEIU/UHW would like to unionize dialysis technicians. When I worked for a hospital-based dialysis unit, I was a member of SEIU-UHE. It was a closed shop. It was join the union or lose your job. They had a clause in their contract that if any department was sold, the employees would go with it. The hospital simply closed the dialysis units, and the employees were on their own. ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_29,_Dialysis_Clinic_Requirements_Initiative_(2022) Hmmm...not a fan, allow me to explain;
I've worked as a pct and as a biomed.
To the first point...why does there need to be a doctor (or doctor level person) PRESENT just for treatments? A charge nurse (RN) per 16 patients is plenty sufficient, always was in the clinics I worked in. I've worked for the two largest dialysis companies in the U.S. (both listed above) and one 5 hospital private entity. At no point did I feel there was a need for anything more than they kidney doc who made a round each shift maybe once a week, one charge nurse per 16 patients, and one pct per 4 patients (per shift), and the support staff such as one dietician/social worker/etc who rounded once a week. Patients needs were met, if there was a new need they informed the charge nurse or pct and that was immediately passed to the physician on call and addressed. As for patient safety, the pcts and RN were more than enough to deal with patients passing out, cramping, and codes. What benefit is there having a doc or someone of that degree of education on staff all day every day? none...the docs/nurse pract/or the like also make rounds in hospitals and at their offices...this would put an unnecessary burden on them and for no benefit. This measure seems unnecessary and would actually cause a greater cost that simply doesn't do anything
second point, dialysis related infections are already reported...there are VERY strict guidelines regarding this and inspections occur to make sure no one is covering up incidents. Also, if patients even suspect a cover up occurs they can VERY easily contact state and they WILL come and investigate. In fact, a patient complaining that they didn't get a blanket will actually prompt a state inspection by a state inspector and if you think for one second that inspector/auditor is on the side of the dialysis company then you've never had one visit your clinic...they absolutely are NOT. EVERY incident, especially infections related to dialysis (oh and even infections NOT related to dialysis) are reported to the parent company and to the state. In fact, if a dialysis patient is admitted to the hospital the hospital AND the clinic MUST report that (and that they are a dialysis patient) to the state EVEN IF that hospitalization has NOTHING to do with them being on dialysis...if they are discharged and re-admitted within 30 days (again even if not related to being on dialysis) the hospital reports that to the state, the clinic does to, and the clinic receives a negative mark from the state. EVERY month we have a safety meeting, every company I've worked for in Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma do any way...in which all of this very data (and more) is reported...it was never covered up or hid in any way/shape/form. But that isn't all, patient clearance, potassium, calcium, phosphorus, and a slurry of other lab values were also reported on by staff who were not "loyal" to any one clinic. In fact even the patients adherence to certain diets is reported in these LONG meetings and everyone got a LENGTHY print out of every report. So there's no need to make another law for something that is already not only a city law, and a state law, but actually a federal law already AND being followed and being followed ad nauseam. btw these monthly meetings normally take about 1-2 hours with everyone trying to get through them asap. and yes the doctor is present, as well as the clinical directors, clinic manager, charge nurse, biomed, dietician, social worker, etc etc...and each of them has to provide a report on their specific duties/observations/improvements and/or short comings.
third point, in all my years as a pct and biomed I have NEVER observed or even heard about anyone being discriminated against for any reason and certainly not because they don't have private insurance. In fact I had to go on dialysis for 4 months just before I became a pct, my insurance hadn't kicked in yet as I had just changed to this job/company. The company I got dialysis from, the social worker worked with me and the state to get my treatments 100% covered...I never paid a dime for the catheter placement, to the dialysis clinic nor the physician who saw me in the clinic, nor the catheter removal. Treatments can cost over 30k a month btw. Now after my insurance finally kicked in (a couple months after my treatments ended and I began working full time) and I saw my nephrologist once after my treatment had concluded (my kidneys began working after 4 months) my insurance was billed and I just paid my co-pay. MOST of our patients at every clinic were on medicare/medicaid...no one looked down on them or gave them a hard time in any way...in fact the only people who knew this was the lady who got them into programs to have those methods used to pay for their treatment...no one else even knew. The only hard time they got was for missing a treatment (which each missed treatment means a 25% increase risk of sudden death) or for not completing their treatment. Again, no one actually treating them even knew (or cared) how their treatment was being covered.
In my opinion, this is a wholly useless bill (it's all already being done and very well too) and, if anything, would cause more harm and greater cost to private insurance, medicare, and medicaid for zero benefit to the patient.
*I typically don't read replies to such posts, I just post my opinion...so sorry if anything has already been covered or addressed. just giving my observations
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