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Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 10, 2021 9:04:01 GMT
It sounds like Biden is making the vaccine mandatory for all healthcare workers in facilities that receive Medicare or Medicaid payments. Listening to him as well as reading AP news articles does not sound like there is a weekly testing option. This could greatly affect our workforce if people flat out refuse.
I wanted to do this poll with multiple questions but I don't see an option for that so, I kind of rolled 2 questions into 1.
Feel free to reply with comments keeping them respectful and non-political. (For the record, I am a Republican and actually think these new mandates don't go far enough). If you are responding to someone else's post, please quote their post so it can't be confused what yours is in response to.
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Post by Admin on Sept 10, 2021 11:14:13 GMT
Note: - Please keep in mind Chucks poll is about the vaccination - Let's not make it political, please.
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Post by gnurk on Sept 10, 2021 12:38:40 GMT
fully vaccinated 3/21 cant respond to poll
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 10, 2021 13:01:03 GMT
fully vaccinated 3/21 cant respond to poll I know you're registered under another name (that you used on RenalWeb) but are not signed in to it. If you've forgotten your username/password you can reset it on the log in screen. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 10, 2021 13:02:24 GMT
Or if the name is registered already - and you can't log in - We can delete the user name and you can try to re-log in.
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Post by belvedere on Sept 10, 2021 15:37:51 GMT
Several things bother me about the mandate, but a major one is that no one is liable if things go bad: not the gov't and/or employer issuing the mandate, not the Dr recommending the vaccine, not the vaccine mfr...NO ONE. Make no mistake: there have been serious effects/complications from these vaccines. If you are the one suffering from them, then it doesn't matter how rare they are. How can someone force something on a person, then if there are problems, have no liability/responsibility?
On a related note, these vaccines use a brand new technology. It doesn't matter how many people are vaccinated, only one thing will reveal long-term effects, and that of course is time. I have a friend who nearly died a couple years ago from blood clots. In the course of treating him, his pcp did research, and discovered that Gulf War vets like him have a much higher incidence of blood clot issues than the general population. Before deployment, they were given experimental vaccines to protect against agents that might be used against them in combat. He strongly believes that those vaccines caused the clots, and I think he is probably right, as there isn't much else to explain it. Keep in mind that he had no issues for over 25 years...then nearly died (not to mention being unable to work for months while recovering).
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 10, 2021 16:28:51 GMT
Several things bother me about the mandate, but a major one is that no one is liable if things go bad: not the gov't and/or employer issuing the mandate, not the Dr recommending the vaccine, not the vaccine mfr...NO ONE. Make no mistake: there have been serious effects/complications from these vaccines. If you are the one suffering from them, then it doesn't matter how rare they are. How can someone force something on a person, then if there are problems, have no liability/responsibility? On a related note, these vaccines use a brand new technology. It doesn't matter how many people are vaccinated, only one thing will reveal long-term effects, and that of course is time. I have a friend who nearly died a couple years ago from blood clots. In the course of treating him, his pcp did research, and discovered that Gulf War vets like him have a much higher incidence of blood clot issues than the general population. Before deployment, they were given experimental vaccines to protect against agents that might be used against them in combat. He strongly believes that those vaccines caused the clots, and I think he is probably right, as there isn't much else to explain it. Keep in mind that he had no issues for over 25 years...then nearly died (not to mention being unable to work for months while recovering). I'm no lawyer (but I've stayed in a Holiday Inn before) but I think they lost that legal protection when they became (become) fully authorized by the FDA losing the "Emergency Use Authorization". Pfiezer is fully authorized, Moderna is close, I don't know about J&J. I don't think anyone has ever said that there are no serious side effects. But that is no different than ANY medication, including something as everyday as Tylenol. I think everyone will agree that there is no way of knowing what might show up 5, 10, 15 years from now but again, that's the same with any medication. If you're referring to mRNA as the "new technology", that is not true. From the CDC: Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.
mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.
Future mRNA vaccine technology may allow for one vaccine to provide protection for multiple diseases, thus decreasing the number of shots needed for protection against common vaccine-preventable diseases.
Beyond vaccines, cancer research has used mRNA to trigger the immune system to target specific cancer cells.Regarding blood clots. Is this part of what's been labeled as "Gulf War Syndrome"? I haven't heard about our military being given "experimental vaccines" but, our government has a history of experimenting on the military so it wouldn't surprise me. |
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Post by belvedere on Sept 10, 2021 17:12:29 GMT
I'm no lawyer (but I've stayed in a Holiday Inn before) but I think they lost that legal protection when they became (become) fully authorized by the FDA losing the "Emergency Use Authorization". Pfiezer is fully authorized, Moderna is close, I don't know about J&J. I don't think anyone has ever said that there are no serious side effects. But that is no different than ANY medication, including something as everyday as Tylenol. I think everyone will agree that there is no way of knowing what might show up 5, 10, 15 years from now but again, that's the same with any medication. If you're referring to mRNA as the "new technology", that is not true. From the CDC: Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.
mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.
Future mRNA vaccine technology may allow for one vaccine to provide protection for multiple diseases, thus decreasing the number of shots needed for protection against common vaccine-preventable diseases.
Beyond vaccines, cancer research has used mRNA to trigger the immune system to target specific cancer cells.Some considerations...
-No one is mandating the use of Tylenol or other drugs...individuals decide whether or not to take the risks of using them.
-mRNA has been studied, yes, but these are the first mRNA vaccines used outside of studies. |
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Post by Breakfast on Sept 12, 2021 3:00:37 GMT
I'm vaccinated but don't believe it should be mandated. I can understand why some people are hesitant to get it. I've heard the stories of people hit with side effects and hope I didn't make the wrong decision. Ever since I got my second shot in march, I've felt more fatigued than I usually do. It seems like I can never get enough sleep. I've talked to my PCP and she say that there's no way to be sure if the way I feel has anything to do with the vaccine at this point. The fact that we know nothing about the long term effects of this has me second guessing myself sometimes. Will everything be OK or did I take 10 years off my life by doing this?
As for dialysis companies, I think they'll fight it unless their lawyers say it's a waste of time because they can't afford to lose experienced staff. We're seriously short on clinical staff, and to a lesser extent biomeds, in our area that OT is the name of the game right now. Clinical staff are getting good bonuses in our area to work on their off days at short handed clinics. I've heard a few clinical staff, and one biomed, say that they'll quit before getting the shot which would really leave us in dire straights.
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Post by t1spike on Sept 29, 2021 19:51:37 GMT
In my area 3 out of the five biomed and the ATOM have said they will go somewhere else if the big F mandates ,I am on the fence cant really afford to go anywhere else .I have already had covid so I know I have some immunity because I was exposé by a fellow biomed and didn't get sick . I'm more worried about what is going to happen if we loose all this talent over this ,we are already stretched thin that most of us have some burnout we have all worked throughout this pandemic while a lot of the country sat it out . strong arm tat tics like this are not fair and will hurt our patients in the long run .
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 29, 2021 20:25:10 GMT
In my area 3 out of the five biomed and the ATOM have said they will go somewhere else if the big F mandates ,I am on the fence cant really afford to go anywhere else .I have already had covid so I know I have some immunity because I was exposé by a fellow biomed and didn't get sick . I'm more worried about what is going to happen if we loose all this talent over this ,we are already stretched thin that most of us have some burnout we have all worked throughout this pandemic while a lot of the country sat it out . strong arm tat tics like this are not fair and will hurt our patients in the long run . Remember, Fresenius is paid by Medicare and Medicaid so it's the Federal Government making the mandate, not them. |
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Post by gnurk on Sept 30, 2021 12:56:43 GMT
if you choose not to be vaccinated you should also choose not to go to icu and take up a ventilator from someone that can really use it
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Post by BMF on Sept 30, 2021 17:00:41 GMT
Yesterday Fresenius posted on their home page an update about the vaccine mandate. Stating they are working with state and federal officials to abide by whatever rules will be set forth. They will post an update once a final decision has been made. We all knew it would come to this. My take away from their statement was that if you don't vaccinate, weekly testing is also accepted. It did not however, state at who's expense the testing would be. There are opinions on both sides, as long as weekly testing is an option, we aren't being "forced" to vaccinate...YET! But as we have seen, only time will tell...
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Post by qman213 on Oct 1, 2021 12:55:41 GMT
if you choose not to be vaccinated you should also choose not to go to icu and take up a ventilator from someone that can really use it This is the political statement Admin warned everyone about. |
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Oct 1, 2021 15:14:47 GMT
if you choose not to be vaccinated you should also choose not to go to icu and take up a ventilator from someone that can really use it This is the political statement Admin warned everyone about. How is this political? |
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