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Post by lost on Oct 2, 2021 13:47:19 GMT
Seems a little more on the divisive side.
Looking at the poll, a difference of opinions is to be expected.
That being said, this is a thread about how companies are handling mandates, not what people should do when they get sick.
We are still waiting on more info from the big D.
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Post by anon’s face on Oct 3, 2021 11:09:37 GMT
Yesterday Fresenius posted on their home page an update about the vaccine mandate. Stating they are working with state and federal officials to abide by whatever rules will be set forth. They will post an update once a final decision has been made. We all knew it would come to this. My take away from their statement was that if you don't vaccinate, weekly testing is also accepted. It did not however, state at who's expense the testing would be. There are opinions on both sides, as long as weekly testing is an option, we aren't being "forced" to vaccinate...YET! But as we have seen, only time will tell... Who’s expense? Testing is still free. I’m sure they’ll follow suit of other corporations and mandate you get tested on your own time weekly. There’s no cost to receive testing. |
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Post by BMF on Oct 4, 2021 12:52:11 GMT
Yesterday Fresenius posted on their home page an update about the vaccine mandate. Stating they are working with state and federal officials to abide by whatever rules will be set forth. They will post an update once a final decision has been made. We all knew it would come to this. My take away from their statement was that if you don't vaccinate, weekly testing is also accepted. It did not however, state at who's expense the testing would be. There are opinions on both sides, as long as weekly testing is an option, we aren't being "forced" to vaccinate...YET! But as we have seen, only time will tell... Who’s expense? Testing is still free. I’m sure they’ll follow suit of other corporations and mandate you get tested on your own time weekly. There’s no cost to receive testing. I just went on a cruise. I was required to have a negative rapid test performed within 72 hours of the cruise. When I went to our rapid test site, I was told they do not perform testing for that reason. You need to either have symptoms or have been exposed. Because of this, I had to buy a test kit at $99.00. If companies will require testing and these rules do not change, then Yes we will have to pay for these tests. I'm totally fine with weekly testing, I'm not ok with being forced to pay for them. Without being political, It "SEEMS" like another way for ........... to control us. That is least political way I can put my opinion. Maybe rules will change on testing once everything is finalized, but as of now testing is not free if you don't have symptoms or have not been exposed. |
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Oct 4, 2021 14:09:24 GMT
Who’s expense? Testing is still free. I’m sure they’ll follow suit of other corporations and mandate you get tested on your own time weekly. There’s no cost to receive testing. I just went on a cruise. I was required to have a negative rapid test performed within 72 hours of the cruise. When I went to our rapid test site, I was told they do not perform testing for that reason. You need to either have symptoms or have been exposed. Because of this, I had to buy a test kit at $99.00. If companies will require testing and these rules do not change, then Yes we will have to pay for these tests. I'm totally fine with weekly testing, I'm not ok with being forced to pay for them. Without being political, It "SEEMS" like another way for ........... to control us. That is least political way I can put my opinion. Maybe rules will change on testing once everything is finalized, but as of now testing is not free if you don't have symptoms or have not been exposed. My 7 cents (inflation)..... Right now, taxpayers are paying for the vaccine AND all testing. The US is paying $15/dose for the Moderna vaccine and $19.50 for the Pfizer so, we'll average that to $35 to vaccinate someone. COVID testing ranges from $42 to $142 depending on the method used so average of $92/test. If someone has to be tested weekly at $92 for a total of $4784 per year. Is it right for taxpayers to have to pay almost $5000 each year for each person who CHOOSES to not be vaccinated? If people have to pay for the testing, it will be amazing to see how many will then choose to be vaccinated. IMHO, the ONLY exemption for not being vaccinated should be a legitimate and documented (prior to 2021) medical reason. Exemptions should be granted by the individual states Health Department AFTER reviewing the records. (kicking the soapbox to the next in line)....... |
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Post by BMF on Oct 7, 2021 12:25:34 GMT
I just went on a cruise. I was required to have a negative rapid test performed within 72 hours of the cruise. When I went to our rapid test site, I was told they do not perform testing for that reason. You need to either have symptoms or have been exposed. Because of this, I had to buy a test kit at $99.00. If companies will require testing and these rules do not change, then Yes we will have to pay for these tests. I'm totally fine with weekly testing, I'm not ok with being forced to pay for them. Without being political, It "SEEMS" like another way for ........... to control us. That is least political way I can put my opinion. Maybe rules will change on testing once everything is finalized, but as of now testing is not free if you don't have symptoms or have not been exposed. My 7 cents (inflation)..... Right now, taxpayers are paying for the vaccine AND all testing. The US is paying $15/dose for the Moderna vaccine and $19.50 for the Pfizer so, we'll average that to $35 to vaccinate someone. COVID testing ranges from $42 to $142 depending on the method used so average of $92/test. If someone has to be tested weekly at $92 for a total of $4784 per year. Is it right for taxpayers to have to pay almost $5000 each year for each person who CHOOSES to not be vaccinated? If people have to pay for the testing, it will be amazing to see how many will then choose to be vaccinated. IMHO, the ONLY exemption for not being vaccinated should be a legitimate and documented (prior to 2021) medical reason. Exemptions should be granted by the individual states Health Department AFTER reviewing the records. (kicking the soapbox to the next in line)....... Exactly my point Chuck, I am not anti vaccine. I am pro choice. Anyone whether vaccinated or unvaccinated can spread it. I have an auto immune disorder and my doctor has said I should not take it. I know I am in the minority as far as the unvaccinated are concerned. I will definitely need to find other means of employment from a much smaller company here very soon. I can't afford the cost at the expense of my health. On a side note, I am very pleased at how professional everyone acts on this new forum. There are no arguments, we can have healthy debates and help others along the way. If I wind up leaving this profession due to vaccine mandates, I'd like to say now, Thank you all for the help over the years and I wish each of you continued success and good health. |
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Oct 7, 2021 12:55:19 GMT
My 7 cents (inflation)..... Right now, taxpayers are paying for the vaccine AND all testing. The US is paying $15/dose for the Moderna vaccine and $19.50 for the Pfizer so, we'll average that to $35 to vaccinate someone. COVID testing ranges from $42 to $142 depending on the method used so average of $92/test. If someone has to be tested weekly at $92 for a total of $4784 per year. Is it right for taxpayers to have to pay almost $5000 each year for each person who CHOOSES to not be vaccinated? If people have to pay for the testing, it will be amazing to see how many will then choose to be vaccinated. IMHO, the ONLY exemption for not being vaccinated should be a legitimate and documented (prior to 2021) medical reason. Exemptions should be granted by the individual states Health Department AFTER reviewing the records. (kicking the soapbox to the next in line)....... Exactly my point Chuck, I am not anti vaccine. I am pro choice. Anyone whether vaccinated or unvaccinated can spread it. I have an auto immune disorder and my doctor has said I should not take it. I know I am in the minority as far as the unvaccinated are concerned. I will definitely need to find other means of employment from a much smaller company here very soon. I can't afford the cost at the expense of my health. On a side note, I am very pleased at how professional everyone acts on this new forum. There are no arguments, we can have healthy debates and help others along the way. If I wind up leaving this profession due to vaccine mandates, I'd like to say now, Thank you all for the help over the years and I wish each of you continued success and good health. I'm no expert but I would think in your case, an autoimmune disorder should qualify for an exemption since it was documented before all this started. I can see doctors popping up selling exemptions like they did for medical marijuana cards. I would normally be pro choice for things such as this IF it only affected the individual. Unfortunately, the unvaccinated are much more likely to spread the virus to someone else than a vaccinated person is. My worst fear is an unvaccinated spreading it to those like yourself, or small kids who can't be vaccinated. If someone wants jump off a building have at it, just make sure there isn't someone on the sidewalk for them to land on. |
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Post by biomedpete on Oct 7, 2021 13:37:25 GMT
Acutely it is well documented the the Vaccinated spread this just as easily as the unvaccinated, I also have first hand proof of this. This vaccine does not stop someone from getting it, it is to help the symptoms from getting worse. There are several reports out stating that over 25% of people hospitalized have received the vaccine. It should be a choice not a mandate. I took the vaccine as so did my co-workers. I ended up being exposed and came down with symptoms, but I did not know I was exposed before working directly with one person and was within 6 feet of another but no direct contact with them and both of them ended up getting it and they were both vaccinated. I was still out of work for ten days and had to be symptom free before I could return to work, just like the unvaccinated. I am not against the vaccine, but should be a choice. We wont know the long term effects, if any, for some time. At my age I am less concerned about long term effects for my self, but I will not let my children be tested on.
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Oct 7, 2021 15:58:23 GMT
Keep it civil please!
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Oct 7, 2021 16:40:46 GMT
This is the political statement Admin warned everyone about. And I ask again.....What is political about his statement? He voiced his opinion and didn't say anything about Republican/Democrat/Left/Right/Trump/Biden etc.. Just because YOU don't agree with HIS opinion doesn't make it political. As far as at who's expense.....Again, here is MY opinion..... Right now, taxpayers are paying for the vaccine AND all testing. The US is paying $15/dose for the Moderna vaccine and $19.50 for the Pfizer so, we'll average that to $35 to vaccinate someone. COVID testing ranges from $42 to $142 depending on the method used so average of $92/test. If someone has to be tested weekly at $92 for a total of $4784 per year. Is it right for taxpayers to have to pay almost $5000 each year for each person who CHOOSES to not be vaccinated? If people have to pay for the testing, it will be amazing to see how many will then choose to be vaccinated. IMHO, the ONLY exemption for not being vaccinated should be a legitimate and documented (prior to 2021) medical reason. Exemptions should be granted by the individual states Health Department AFTER reviewing the records. Feel free to try to change my opinion but stay civil or your posts will be deleted. |
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Post by qman213 on Oct 7, 2021 18:58:40 GMT
Chuck, I have no intention of changing your opinion or anyone else's nor would I expect you to change mine. Everyone has an opinion about the vaccine. Me included. The vaccine has been surrounded by politics from day one. That's certainly no secret. The quote was "if you choose not to be vaccinated you should also choose not to go to icu and take up a ventilator from someone that can really use it". Many on the Left or Liberal side have been chanting similar and even more radical ideals. My interpretation of this quote was that if you don't take the jab, you should be denied any medical treatment should you get Covid. I feel that is wrong and I felt it had a political (liberal) undertone. If I completely misinterpreted the statement, I apologize to everyone. If you want to delete my response, feel free to do so. I took the vaccine but I don't believe others should be forced to take it.
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Oct 7, 2021 20:00:25 GMT
As much as I would like to be able to change minds, I'm a realist and know that the chances of being able to do that are very slim. There are so many people that are against the vaccine because of things they've read on social media, conspiracy theories, or because they talked to someone who's cousin's wife's step brother got run over by a bus right after getting the vaccine. What I believe to be facts are: - If vaccinated, the chances of being infected (breakthrough) are greatly reduced.
- If vaccinated and become infected, the chances of developing severe symptoms and requiring ICU care is greatly reduced.
- If vaccinated and infected, the chances of spreading the virus is greatly reduced due to a much lower viral load.
- mRNA technology was developed decades ago. Some of the research was done using stem cells from umbilical cords and not tissue from aborted fetuses.
- There has not been a single death from getting the vaccine.
- There are not tracking chips in the vaccine.
- No major religion objects to the vaccine. Not even Jehovah's Witness' or Scientologists.
- The Supreme Court ruled in I believe 1905, that personal rights and freedoms are over-ridden when it impacts public health.
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Post by gnurk on Oct 8, 2021 12:29:47 GMT
those are good reasons to get vaccinated
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Post by belvedere on Oct 8, 2021 13:20:18 GMT
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Post by Breakfast on Oct 8, 2021 13:39:40 GMT
I just went on a cruise. I was required to have a negative rapid test performed within 72 hours of the cruise. When I went to our rapid test site, I was told they do not perform testing for that reason. You need to either have symptoms or have been exposed. Because of this, I had to buy a test kit at $99.00. If companies will require testing and these rules do not change, then Yes we will have to pay for these tests. I'm totally fine with weekly testing, I'm not ok with being forced to pay for them. Without being political, It "SEEMS" like another way for ........... to control us. That is least political way I can put my opinion. Maybe rules will change on testing once everything is finalized, but as of now testing is not free if you don't have symptoms or have not been exposed. Just curious as to where you got tested that wouldn't do it for free for a cruise? I'm getting tested tomorrow (Saturday) for a cruise on Monday. I booked an appointment through CVS and checked the box that said it was because I was travelling and don't want to spread covid (or something along those lines). I'm not being charged for it, although they will bill the insurance company. I believe Walgreens does it the same way. |
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Oct 8, 2021 13:41:50 GMT
You can't just take a small snippet out of context. Here is the entire paragraph about deaths: Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 396 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through October 4, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,390 reports of death (0.0021%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths. So, if someone got the vaccine and 2 weeks later died of a heart attack it is included. Never mind that they were a 375 pound smoker with hypertension and diabetes. Since they had the vaccine their death is reported. |
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