joey
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Sept 14, 2021 12:57:00 GMT
Post by joey on Sept 14, 2021 12:57:00 GMT
Good Morning, I remember a few posts about these on the last forum but my memory is failing me. My Medical director mentioned these in a wish list type of manner so I wanted to reach out and see if anyone is using them and if so, in what capacity, what sort of treatments, ICU etc. Also do you like them? The sales guy walked into the inpatient unit like he was invited and no one knew he was there and he asked a lot of questions to the nursing staff so that wasn't a good impression. He also said we do not fix them or trouble shoot them which leads me to believe they will not always be available or there will be interrupted treatments but I could be wrong. The price tag was super high as well. Thanks in advance
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Sept 14, 2021 14:19:49 GMT
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 14, 2021 14:19:49 GMT
We were looking into them for possible use for home hemo. What we found is that for their price we just couldn't afford them. We were told like $48K per machine PLUS $4800 per machine each year for the mandatory service contract. The disposables were also expensive at like $50 per treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 9:51:02 GMT
Here are my thoughts... First Chuck is spot on with his input. Joey what you were told is correct, they have not developed a training curriculum for customer biomeds. There is a basic (filter changes, basic TS etc.) training they have for local Biomeds. Pros: Very easy for home pts to learn and easy to setup. Samples are very easy to obtain. Pre-tx filters are easy to change. Very quiet machines so great for home and acutes. Customer service is good (new company and they are still learning so not great). There are many more Pros but not tech related. Cons: Pre-Tx filters are monitored by pressure and there is no warning when the delta pressure gets past the setpoint. Machine will alarm and not let you use until filter is changed. Most alarms, either during treatment or during disinfection will stop the process and operator either needs to terminate the treatment and start over or in the case of disinfection it will need to restart. Chemical disinfection takes many hours. If a machine breaks have to wait until they can send their techs out to fix it. This can be up to 72 hours and their suggestion for home pts is to have them treat in center. This is something they are also working on. All that being said they are a growing company and I am not sure whether they are having growing pains or what the issue is but seems like there is a lot of turnover. I think a lot of their problems are due to the pace at which they are growing. Their people are very positive even when being deluged with issues. I can say they take input from their customers very seriously and I have seen a lot of improvements in their machine reliability over the last several years. I do still think they have a ways to go in this department.
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lost
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Sept 16, 2021 14:18:54 GMT
Post by lost on Sept 16, 2021 14:18:54 GMT
Some of our local hospitals use these. One on a significant scale. I generally hear complaints about length of treatments and often subpar clinical outcomes when the patients return to outpatient facilities. Jacked up lab values, etc. I've also heard they absolutely drink disinfectant during the chemical disinfections.
That being said, they are quiet and super user friendly. I've heard that from multiple people who work in acute settings. I guess we will see how they do down the road.
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Sept 21, 2021 15:27:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 15:27:09 GMT
We are about to start validation on 20 of these Tablos I am in Texas and can not get a clear answer on when validation is being done does it have to be where unit might be used at, I have 4 facilities where these 20 will be distributed but only space at one to set them up for validation
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Sept 21, 2021 20:23:13 GMT
Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 21, 2021 20:23:13 GMT
We are about to start validation on 20 of these Tablos I am in Texas and can not get a clear answer on when validation is being done does it have to be where unit might be used at, I have 4 facilities where these 20 will be distributed but only space at one to set them up for validation I haven't even begun to digest what is in AAMI 23500 since it's not adopted by CMS. From what I can tell, RD52 specifically excludes home hemo by saying... "....This recommended practice excludes home hemodialysis, although this document may be of use to the home hemodialysis practitioner." This is no help but, I can see an argument being made for validation being location specific as well as location doesn't matter (other than chemical contaminants). Location specific: Theoretically, its possible that the bioburden in the feed water from one location to another to the point that it could impact the retention capabilities of the system....again, theoretically. I know Texas can have some of its own ideas about things so you need to check on them also. What does Outset say?
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joey
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Sept 22, 2021 13:06:56 GMT
Post by joey on Sept 22, 2021 13:06:56 GMT
"What does Outset say?" Great point! Which adds a whole other layer to it. What are the manufacturer's recommendations? What does a home hemo program do now? When the patient starts at home do they send the equipment directly there and is it validated there? I'm ignorant to how it works but would love to know more. I mean if the water source is at a different location it would make sense to validate there.....or at least validate at the clinic and then just get one validation at home or wherever it is going to be used to make sure you get the same result??
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Sept 22, 2021 16:31:49 GMT
Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 22, 2021 16:31:49 GMT
Also... Does anyone know what Fresenius says about NxStage?
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Apr 24, 2022 19:54:15 GMT
Post by Frank The Fixer on Apr 24, 2022 19:54:15 GMT
HCA as a system is switching over to the Tablo machines and ditching all of their contracted dialysis providers, going with in house staffing.
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Oct 19, 2022 14:40:13 GMT
Post by Quilla on Oct 19, 2022 14:40:13 GMT
Folks, Any one knows if there are technical training classes for this Tablo's here in the USA. Since I called tech support and they are in Ottawa.
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Oct 19, 2022 15:07:05 GMT
Post by quilla on Oct 19, 2022 15:07:05 GMT
Folks, Any one knows if there are technical training classes for this Tablo's here in the USA. Since I called tech support and they are in Ottawa.
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