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Post by Chuck Weddle on Jan 7, 2022 16:22:58 GMT
i wonder if the chemistries for the patients running at 500 flow will be ok. all the studies i have heard about say that 800 flow is just wasting concentrate We stopped 800 flows 7-8 years ago. There have been a number of studies published that show that the 800 DFR has minimal affect when using a "modern" dialyzer when compared to 500-600 DFR. The difference in the dialyzers are undulations/crimps in the fibers which cause both the blood and the dialysate to stir which keeps fresh dialysate and "dirty" blood in contact with the membrane wall. One study I recall showed that the 800 DFR was beneficial for high body mass patients but only if BFR's of a minimum of 400 ml/min could be achieved with negative arterial pressures less negative than I believe they said -150.
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Post by paulito on Jan 7, 2022 16:27:43 GMT
All of our clinics are going to 500 flow, i have 150 gallons in the tank and nobody in Houston has any, our clinics are on life support on Acid.
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Post by joey on Jan 10, 2022 12:56:02 GMT
Is this still isolated to a certain region? I'm in the southeast and have yet to hear much or be impacted by any of this, but we use FMC products very heavily here. It is a major issue right now and you might want to let your Medical Director know if you have not already and I would build a buffer if you can.
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Post by lost on Jan 10, 2022 18:26:31 GMT
Is this still isolated to a certain region? I'm in the southeast and have yet to hear much or be impacted by any of this, but we use FMC products very heavily here. It is a major issue right now and you might want to let your Medical Director know if you have not already and I would build a buffer if you can. It’s been the subject of high level emails apparently. One of my clinics just had to transfer a 132gallon batch worth dry to another clinic. I’ve taught the ordering techs in my clinics to always keep a buffer on concentrate for stuff like this.. and the moment I questioned other places ordering practices prior to this, I got treated like I’m hording toilet paper for having a 6 week supply of acid on hands at all times. Strange times indeed. Hope things come around soon for the people in dire need.
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Jan 10, 2022 18:38:59 GMT
Saline is affected too. And in typical Fresenius fashion, nothing is said till you call them because your order didn't show up!
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Post by gfreely on Jan 12, 2022 12:27:46 GMT
Crap. Just got hit with this too. They back ordered Bibags and Naturalyte on us.
I would say that we lucked out that *most* of our baths come in drums from Bax-Rock...except even THEY can't keep consistent with deliveries as of late.
Welcome to 2020 II, I guess...(except it was PPE and tx supplies then)
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Post by guest on Jan 16, 2022 14:49:54 GMT
I get from Rockwell too- but when they don't have drivers they subcontract the delivery out so we still get it
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Jan 16, 2022 15:38:00 GMT
I got a call yesterday from the ICU Medical Director of a hospital we're contracted in to. He said that they will run out of CRRT solutions in a few days and he had "heard" that the solutions could be made with a standard dialysis machine and if it was something we could do. I told him that I was familiar with the process but we had never done it and that I didn't even know if we had the necessary PD bags and tubing and would naturally need the approval of my CMO. I spoke to him and like me, is intrigued to do something new and different. That said, there are a lot of T's to cross and I's to dot before we could do this. My CMO will be contacting them Monday. If anyone is interested, here is a paper from Hopkins about it but it requires 3D printing a fitting. docs.google.com/document/d/17oXLTEqvOtymh_aiR8cU39uylud2w_QRQCjW2-NXmrA/editHere is a good video from The Cleveland Clinic that seems to be simple and uses off the shelf supplies. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ektoZGu83M
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Post by gfreely on Jan 16, 2022 17:13:17 GMT
I get from Rockwell too- but when they don't have drivers they subcontract the delivery out so we still get it
Yeah, their 3rd party courier is delivering...kind of.
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Post by ginniper on Jan 17, 2022 16:09:05 GMT
The saline shortage has been hitting my clinics in the southeast. The majority of my clinics are rural so it's a logistical nightmare to try and run around redistributing saline when one clinic lucks up and gets some in. I have a pretty good relationship with my TruBlu drivers and they keep me in the loop on what's happening in the warehouses. My two main warehouses were already severely understaffed before getting hit with the latest covid wave- now they're operating on less than a skeleton crew. Same goes for route drivers. The ones that are still left are getting hammered with extra routes and unfairly fussed at by clinical staff when they bring shipments that are missing supplies. It's wildly frustrating for sure, but I know my driver's can't deliver stuff that isn't available.
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Post by joey on Jan 17, 2022 19:39:56 GMT
Saline is affected too. And in typical Fresenius fashion, nothing is said till you call them because your order didn't show up! How many 1L bags do you use per treatment? 1 or 2
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Jan 17, 2022 20:50:45 GMT
Saline is affected too. And in typical Fresenius fashion, nothing is said till you call them because your order didn't show up! How many 1L bags do you use per treatment? 1 or 2 I'm pretty sure that it is just 1 bag or most treatments. We (technical) don't do inventory or ordering so I'm not certain of our actual usage.
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Post by joey on Jan 19, 2022 11:54:06 GMT
I got a call yesterday from the ICU Medical Director of a hospital we're contracted in to. He said that they will run out of CRRT solutions in a few days and he had "heard" that the solutions could be made with a standard dialysis machine and if it was something we could do. I told him that I was familiar with the process but we had never done it and that I didn't even know if we had the necessary PD bags and tubing and would naturally need the approval of my CMO. I spoke to him and like me, is intrigued to do something new and different. That said, there are a lot of T's to cross and I's to dot before we could do this. My CMO will be contacting them Monday. If anyone is interested, here is a paper from Hopkins about it but it requires 3D printing a fitting. docs.google.com/document/d/17oXLTEqvOtymh_aiR8cU39uylud2w_QRQCjW2-NXmrA/editHere is a good video from The Cleveland Clinic that seems to be simple and uses off the shelf supplies. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ektoZGu83MThis is a really cool option I was not aware of but it makes sense logistically. When you say the CMO is contacting "them" is that DOH? or the ICU MD to discuss? I would be interested in updates on this please.
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Jan 19, 2022 12:17:16 GMT
By "them" I meant the ICU MD. Since both of the methods above were done using a Fresenius machine, Monday morning I set up one of our Braun machines to make sure that it could do this also without any alarms. I used the Cleveland Clinic method though I did not collect the solution in bags, there were no problems at all. I didn't think there would be any difference but I drew electrolyte samples from the dialysate line and of the "CRRT Solution". Ca++ and Mg++ were both 0.08 mEq/L higher in the CRRT Solution and all others, including CO2 were identical. On my way home I started feeling not too good and by 6:00 I felt like I got hit by a truck. I did a rapid home test and tested positive for COVID so.... I have not been back to the office to get any updates.
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Post by briancanufixthis on Jan 19, 2022 14:56:40 GMT
Not only Fresenius....Its nationwide!! Strap in folks....
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