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Post by bcjammerx on Sept 14, 2021 13:41:33 GMT
wrong direction of valves DFS, df flow disturbed membrane moving v9 but not sure on software version if that matters I found this post dialysistechnical.freeforums.net/thread/72/df-flow-disturbedbut I've got the other alert My issue is this, the machine only does the "wrong direction..." alert intermittently and when it does the staff say it only does it after first treatment is finished. I've not seen the alarm during mock treatment so going off what staff say (thankfully one followed our advice and took a pic of the two error alerts). Staff also stated the machine takes longer than others to come up to conductivity...seemed to go normal for me but it also didn't give me the alarms which staff had pics of so maybe it was acting right while I was looking at it. They also say it always gives the "df flow disturbed..." error but I didn't see it in my mock treatment. Something I did notice was gurgling from the acid port on the machine but it passed all it's tests and conductivity was in range. The spike was pulled out and put into a jug and the machine used the bicarb cartridge. This gurgling made me think the VZ valve was messing up but it wasn't spewing water out of them...I stuck my finger in the acid port and it muted the gurgling...I don't remember any of my machines doing that normally. I'm pretty new to Dialogs...aaaaand I tend to overthink things...so I'm not sure what the troubleshooting steps are for these two errors, I could go into tech mode to test the valves but even if the valves click how do I know they're actually allowing flow...or is checking the valves the wrong direction to take?
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2021 17:12:38 GMT
From a friend of mine: The alarm will be initiated if the the balance chamber valves are not in the correct position for the chamber mode and VDE or VDA are open. That means one of the valves VDEBK1, VDABK1, VDEBK2, VDABK2 is open when VDE or VDA is open normal position for the chamber mode is VEBK1 open VDEBK1 closed VABK1 open VDABK1 closed VEBK2 closed VABK2 closed or VEBK2 open VDEBK2 closed VABK2 open VDABK2 closed VEBK1 closed VABK1 closed This was potentially caused by an empty BIC cartridge or an empty acid jug. Please check the balance chamber, if there is a leak or a blocked valve, maybe also the MSBK boards are defective.
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Post by bcjammerx on Sept 15, 2021 14:06:39 GMT
It would be helpful if I could get this machine to duplicate these errors. I've done two mock treatments with a citric heat in-between and it has not given a single error *facepalm Trying again today...I hate putting a machine back in service with "could not duplicate" when the problem is intermittent like this. So far the valves are operating as they are supposed to. A correction, I realized after posting that the gurgling was only after I ended treatment and was draining the bicarb cartridge, not during testing, treatment, or draining dialyzer so I'm ignoring that for now.
The only thing I'm seeing is that during testing and after testing while cycling, MSBK1 and 2 are about 2000 off from each others maximums but their minimums are usually only 10-100 off. Still not alarming for me though
If I find a problem and solution I'll be sure to post but for now it seems to be working
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 15, 2021 14:14:46 GMT
How many hours on the machine? Software version? Membrane movement alarms are frequently caused by a bad membrane. Membranes are an inexpensive thing to try. If you change them, make sure you do a balancing chamber calibration if you have 9.1B software.
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Post by bcjammerx on Sept 15, 2021 14:37:56 GMT
How many hours on the machine? Software version? Membrane movement alarms are frequently caused by a bad membrane. Membranes are an inexpensive thing to try. If you change them, make sure you do a balancing chamber calibration if you have 9.1B software. 16817 hours 9.12 considering the difference in membrane movement I'm going to replace the membranes (and calibrate) and check connectors and look for any buildup etc...I'll report back if it alarms again for the staff but might be a bit since it hasn't yet for me
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Post by Chuck Weddle on Sept 15, 2021 15:25:51 GMT
It's a bit of work (not too bad though) but I would highly recommend upgrading to 9.1B software.
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Post by bcjammerx on Sept 15, 2021 16:07:04 GMT
It's a bit of work (not too bad though) but I would highly recommend upgrading to 9.1B software. Oh yeah, I recently started with this hospital system and that's one of the issues I'll be dealing with in the coming months, the tech I replaced didn't want to do it so I get to *added* after replacing/calibrating balance chamber membranes the numbers for max/min during test and mock treatment are the same for both so *fingers crossed
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Post by btech on Oct 6, 2021 9:52:43 GMT
This alarm can also be caused by a bad power board valves. If the problem comes back i would change the PBV. This alarm is self acknowleding and the machine will stabilize the flow after some minutes by it self.
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Post by SrCusEngr on Oct 7, 2021 19:10:13 GMT
And my experience is that I see this alarm occur near the end of treatment or if a machine is alarming for minor reasons during treatment. As we all know, some operators get push button happy. They start pushing icons and Alarm Silence and Enter buttons so quickly, the machine gets into a position where the valves are in a wrong position and it throws the alarm. And it cannot be reproduced because the technician is not push button happy.
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